To explain Stevie Nicks as a lady of many phrases — fascinating phrases — is a large understatement. Whether or not it’s within the cosmic lyrics to traditional songs like Fleetwood Mac’s “Goals” (which is an even bigger hit than ever, due to Nathan Apodaca’s TikTok skateboarding video); her eloquent, journal-like social media posts; her new fever-dreaming comeback single, “Present Them the Manner”; or her completely unfiltered interviews just like the one beneath, Nicks is an excellent thinker, a consummate storyteller and an absolute icon.
Main as much as the discharge of her movie Stevie Nicks 24 Karat Gold The Live performance — which can run for 2 nights solely, on Oct. 21 and 25, at choose cinemas, drive-ins and exhibition areas around the globe — Yahoo Leisure spoke at size with the two-time Rock & Roll Corridor of Fame inductee concerning the secret “magic room” the place she conjured “Goals” in 1975, how she got here up together with her signature look, her friendship with Harry Kinds, her admiration for Ruth Bader Ginsburg, why she’s completely happy being single, her COVID-era fears about by no means having the ability to carry out onstage once more and her hopes of compiling all her great phrases right into a e-book at some point.
Yahoo Leisure: These days, you’ve been writing some very stunning, heartfelt issues on social media, virtually like essays. And one that basically struck me was you had been expressing your fears about having the ability to return to doing what you’re keen on, which is performing reside. It should be bittersweet to be releasing a live performance movie in the course of a time when there are just about no live shows occurring in any respect.
Stevie Nicks: Effectively, initially, final February I had a chat on the telephone with my good friend Harry Kinds — I name him “H” — about once we might carry out collectively once more, as a result of I had simply sung with him on the Discussion board, and it was a lot enjoyable. And he stated to me, in all of his 26-years-old-ness, “Stevie, I feel it’s going to be a very long time earlier than we will stroll onstage once more. I don’t suppose that we are going to stroll onstage once more till the top of 2021, and possibly not till 2022.” And now I’m like, “Oh my God, this man is extra psychic than I’m!” Rattling, if he wasn’t proper. So the factor is, is that, are we unhappy? Sure, we’re devastated. I flip the tv on for 15 minutes and it’s exhibiting each single state and the upticks in each single state, nonetheless going up. Like, what the hell? That is horrible. We had been hoping that by this time we’d be not less than getting nearer to having the ability to return out and not less than do outside festivals. However you already know what? We’re not Donald Trump. We will’t put individuals in peril, and we by no means will put individuals in peril due to that. We’re not going to take individuals into a giant venue just like the Discussion board and take the possibility that they’re all going to return down with this virus in six weeks. So, actually, I don’t know what the long run holds.
As quickly as I came upon about [the coronavirus], I stated to the world and to God and to all people else: “Pay attention, I’m not getting this. I’m not going to get these little blood clots that type in all people’s organs. I’m not going to have stroke. I’m not going to have a coronary heart assault. I’m not going to have mind fog for the following 5 years of my life. I’m not going to be made into an invalid at 72 years outdated.” So I’ve, like, put a skinny plastic defend of magic security round me, and I’m actually tremendous cautious. I instantly began out that manner, stomping my foot and saying, “Not me!” … For me as a 72-year-old girl, I really feel like that is the final six or seven of what I name the helpful years of my life, and I feel this virus has stolen time from me. And that basically makes me indignant, as a result of I believed I took fairly excellent care of myself, my complete life — I imply, I bought to 72 and I’m nonetheless sporting six-inch heels, and I can nonetheless get away with sporting a brief chiffon skirt onstage if I need. And now, guess what? You’re slammed right into a home for 2 years and you’ll’t exit and you’ll’t do something. How might this have occurred? How on the earth did we get right here?
Talking of social media, on the happier aspect of issues, do you suppose that’s the reason Nathan Apodaca and the “Goals” problem related so broadly proper now? Clearly you gained that problem together with your roller-skate video, however Tik-Tok is flooded with individuals lip-syncing to songs. And but, Nathan’s clip simply exploded.
Individuals wanted slightly little bit of magic. I feel it’s slightly little bit of magic. You already know, “Goals” actually got here proper out of my R&B coronary heart in 1975. And it is a story that no person truly actually is aware of… Once we recorded “Goals,” we had been up on the Report Plant in San Francisco and had been virtually performed with the 12 demos. All people was engaged on one thing else in the principle studio, and I had this concept. I used to be sort of wandering across the studio, searching for someplace the place I might curl up with my Fender Rhodes and my lyrics and slightly cassette tape recorder. And this man who I didn’t even know stated, “Are you searching for a spot to go and play?” I stated, “I’m. I’ve a music in my head and I wish to file it.” And he stated, “OK, now you possibly can by no means inform anyone, however I’ve a spot the place you possibly can go.” And I am like, “Oh my God, a magic room! Oh my God, I’ll by no means inform anyone.”
And so we went down the hallway and he takes a key and opens this door, and there may be this full-on studio that none of us ever knew existed on this constructing — and we’d been there for like three months! I stroll in and it’s a giant studio with a sunken round form, truly like a lighthouse, like a circle, and there’s keyboards throughout, a bunch of keyboards that went down this tunnel sort of factor. After which over to the aspect was this huge half-moon round mattress with all black and purple velvet. It sounds slightly garish, however it was truly stunning. And I stated, “What is that this?” And he stated, that is Sly Stone’s studio. And I am like, “Are you kidding me? The Sly Stone? He wouldn’t care that I used to be in right here?” And he goes, “I don’t suppose he’d care. He gave me the important thing. So you possibly can keep in right here so long as you need.” So I bought up on that mattress and sat there and simply sort of vibed out for 15 or 20 minutes, after which I simply began enjoying — and I began enjoying “Goals.” And inside about 20 minutes, it was written and recorded — I imply, super-simply, however nonetheless, I believed, “Thanks, Sly Stone and the spirits of Sly Stone and all your band.” And so I walked out again down the hallway and I walked into Fleetwood Mac’s studio, and I stated, “Pay attention up, all people. I feel I’ve one thing that you just wish to hear.” I performed them slightly recording of “Goals,” and we recorded that music that night time.
Wow. That’s so cool. Clearly that music is making the rounds proper now due to the cranberry juice video, however I’ve all the time related it with one other viral video: When Lucy Lawless performed you on Saturday Evening Reside, operating a Mexican restaurant.
[laughs] The loopy factor is my mother in all probability made the very best Mexican meals in the entire world as a result of we lived in El Paso, Texas, for 5 years — between the third grade and the eighth grade, that was a very long time — and he or she discovered to make like probably the most superb Mexican meals. And he or she additionally informed me that when she was pregnant with me, the one factor that she might preserve down was an enchilada. So I’m like, “OK, Lucy Lawless, you’ve performed it. You might have psychically seen into one thing in my household.” I believed that was nice. I imply, I’m all the time flattered when individuals take my songs and use them for one thing, you already know, as a result of that’s what they’re written for. They’re not simply written to be sung onstage. They’re written to be carried with you and pulled out everytime you need them, to make use of for no matter you need. … A music might go far and vast and simply belong to all people. When you let it go, as soon as you set it on the market, it’s like a child. When you let that little one go, you now not have so much to say about it. It goes the place it needs.
You say you’re all the time flattered when individuals in popular culture reference your songs or imitate you, so I assume you’re conscious of the Evening of 1,000 Stevies annual drag/membership occasion?
Oh, I’m, I’m!
Have you ever ever thought-about sneaking in, like, infiltrating it?
I’ve completely considered it. I’d actually been eager about it like currently earlier than this complete [pandemic] occurred. I all the time thought how enjoyable it might be to really actually disguise myself, like be me, however appear to be a dangerous rendition of Stevie Nicks, in order that I might actually truly be nameless and simply be strolling round and simply be speaking to all people. … After which on the very finish, I’d simply stroll out onstage to a observe of “Fringe of Seventeen” and simply launch into that music and all people would simply swiftly cease and lookup and freak out. You by no means know. I can present up at any time.
That may be superb. Girl Gaga truly pulled a stunt like that on RuPaul’s Drag Race. Would you ever do this present?
I wouldn’t not think about it. Doing TV shouldn’t be my very favourite factor, since you don’t have a lot management over it, and at 72 years outdated I’m all the time like fearful about the way in which individuals movie you. You get slightly bit extra weirded out about that as you become old. However it’s not that I wouldn’t love to try this present, and it’s not that I may not do it. I imply, the older I get, I’m additionally extra up for a brand new journey than I used to be, say, 10 years in the past. Possibly that’s what occurs while you become old too, that you just simply go, like, “Yeah, certain. I’‘l do it.”
Individuals would go nuts! So, how did you develop your model? As a result of loads of rock and pop stars, they’re extra chameleon-like, however you’ve gotten a really signature model. Everybody is aware of what the “Stevie Nicks look” is.
At first, I went on the primary Fleetwood Mac tour, which lasted about three months. … I by no means performed a tour, so I ended up leaving with simply the few issues that I had purchased right here and there, my regular s***ty garments that I’d had for the final 5 yr. I did have a good friend that really made me a few pair of actually slinky bellbottom pants, like Janis Joplin pants, and a few little tops that went with them. However the truth that [Lindsey Buckingham and I] had been just about ravenous for therefore lengthy, we had been actually skinny. I used to be like, 105 kilos skinny. And so we get on the street and there’s room service. And so guess what? We ordered room service and we ate and ate. I gained about 15 kilos in two weeks and all these garments that I took didn’t match, and there was nothing I might do. So once I bought house from that tour, I met someone who knew a designer, and her identify was Margi Kent. She had little rhinestones below every of her eyebrows and hair her all the way down to her knees virtually. So I met Margi and I stated, “Pay attention, that is what I wish to appear to be.” And I drew a stick woman with slightly velvet driving jacket and slightly skirt with little factors. I stated, “I wish to look a waif in a Charles Dickens story.” I additionally needed actually heavy-duty, stunning platforms, so they’d be comfy. I needed two skirts and two jackets, one with lengthy chiffon Rhiannon sleeves and one with regular velvet sleeves. I stated, “That’s all I need. And I need two units.”
What I needed was a uniform. I didn’t wish to have to consider what I’m going to put on. I simply needed to go, “It’s time to dress” and have that stuff hanging within the rest room. And that’s how I began. And I checked out myself within the mirror once I put it on and I believed, “That is the very best you’re going to ever look. So there isn’t a motive to ever change this. You’re 28 years outdated. Once you’re 60, that is nonetheless going to look good on you, until you’ve gotten actually fats. You may keep in black, as a result of black is slimmer, so simply by no means develop into shade as a result of that wont work. ‘And that is what I did. I stayed on this principally the identical outfit and Margi simply up to date it each two or three years. I’m nonetheless sporting jackets that had been made 20 years in the past as a result of they had been made so nicely that they by no means put on out. They by no means look outdated. In order that’s actually it. I spotted once I checked out that outfit, that it might final perpetually. … I can take certainly one of my outfits from any measurement, all the way in which again to the start the place I weighed like 110 kilos, and I can put that outfit on any of my goddaughters which might be tiny or those which might be 30 or those which might be 40. Each on occasion, I’ll allow them to play dress-up in my outfits. And it’s like, it’s not simply me. Everybody seems good in my outfit.
I’m curious although, that while you went with that authentic sketch to Margi and also you had this very clear imaginative and prescient, the place did that come from?
It was very particular, huh? I feel that it did come from someplace between Oliver Twist and Nice Expectations and people sorts of tales that I learn and love, even like Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre, these sorts of fairy story books. These heroines had been undoubtedly particular in what they wore. However OK, I did see someone sort of in that outfit. At one level when Lindsey and I did these 4 reveals, we went to the Santa Monica Civic, and there was a woman that walked by and he or she was sort of in that outfit that I do, besides it was a sort of mauve-y pink. She had cream-colored boots on and the pink skirt and slightly jacket and her hair was all performed up like a Gibson Lady with a button factor on her head, and I simply thought, “Oh my God, if I ever, ever have any cash, that is what I wish to appear to be.” That was 1969. So I remembered that woman years later. I remembered her sort of floating by me.
I’m wondering if she’s going to ever know you impressed her. It wasn’t a well-known girl, proper? It was simply somebody.
No, it was just a few woman who seemed actually particular. Like she was like actually someone.
Again with reference to your social media posts, when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, you wrote probably the most superb tribute in your Instagram. It had me in tears. What impressed you to jot down one thing so prolonged and eloquent?
You already know, I undoubtedly lived by means of the time once we had been preventing for all that stuff. I used to be additionally in a household the place I had a really, very sturdy mother who needed me to be very unbiased and was wanting me to have my very own selection on every part. … I keep in mind girls looking for a option to get an abortion. I keep in mind girls going to Mexico and going to the again alleys. I imply, clearly that by no means occurred to me, however I heard about it and I used to be horrified. And so when Roe v. Wade was handed, I used to be like, “Thank God that this has now been put again within the girls’s arms, as a result of every certainly one of us ought to have the fitting to do what we wish with their very own physique.” In case you have a sick child rising in your abdomen and you’ll’t afford that sick child, and you have already got three others, I feel that solely you as the girl who’s the mother could make that call on what to do. It’s so not truthful to place that call within the arms of the federal government. And I so want that Ruth — I do name her Ruth — had by some means made it as much as this election up, like a few weeks after the election, as a result of I feel that this new decide [Amy Coney Barrett] is being set as much as change every part. And if she does, we’re all going be in a giant heap of hassle.
I do love your posts, even the very unhappy ones. I’d severely love an essay on daily basis.
I am making an attempt to really write greater than I used to, like with a pen and paper, and clarify issues. … Like once I wrote about [COVID-19] being like American Horror Story and the black Victorian carriage with the attractive noble however dying horses that might come for you when you get this virus — what I needed to do there was put a face on the violence, so individuals would possibly begin to consider this this lethal virus as that carriage. After I write one thing, I actually attempt to make it extra comprehensible, in a extra poetic manner. However I’ve been conserving a giant, leather-bound journal that as huge as a coffee-table e-book since I can keep in mind. And on this particular leather-based journal that I take advantage of proper now, I’ve been conserving these journals since in all probability 1995. I’ve a truckload of them. … I attempt to write fantastically in order that once I die, all of those journals might be left to all my goddaughters, my nieces, these younger girls that can deal with these journals, and we’ll publish all of the issues that they really feel ought to exit. I’d even be capable of do a few of that myself. … I’m studying that individuals do like studying this stuff, after the few issues that I posted. Like, I needed to write one thing about Tom Petty final night time. I used to be simply supposed to speak on a tape recorder, however I stated, “I can’t do this. I’ll simply, I’ll simply go off on some sort of tirade. So let me simply sit and write it.” And it got here out actually stunning, as a result of I had written it. Tom’s household is de facto tremendous pleased with it, as a result of it was a second in time that I wrote about with me and Tom. So I get to the purpose now the place I’m selecting up my pen and actually writing stuff that I’m permitting to exit, as a result of I do know I’m beginning to notice that lots of people truly wish to see extra writing. And I didn’t actually know that earlier than, as a result of I by no means actually put something out.
Would you ever think about turning these writings right into a e-book?
I’m eager about making a e-book, like a espresso desk e-book with my drawings, with a drawing on one aspect after which poetry and journal entries. I feel it might be a very stunning e-book, if I can get some assist from all of my girlfriends who’ve been watching me write in these journals each night time for 100 years to sit down and assist me undergo all of them and pull out the items, that might be good within the e-book. As a result of I do not actually wish to write a e-book about Stevie Nicks, an autobiography. However to place out the vignettes of my life, the nice issues, the nice romantic moments … the actually onerous moments, the actually unhappy moments, issues I’m not so up on placing out, the terribly terrible issues. Like, do I wish to write a bunch of stuff about doing medicine? Not likely. Return and skim all my interviews, if you wish to hear about that, as a result of it’s all on the market. The issues that I’d need in that e-book can be the issues that individuals do not learn about, however would love to listen to. I do know you’ll love to listen to them.
You say you wouldn’t wish to do a straight autobiography, however I’m certain you’ve gotten been approached a few biopic, or a Fleetwood Mac film.
[A Fleetwood Mac biopic] can be very, very onerous to do now. I’ve all the time stated I by no means needed to make a film about Fleetwood Mac. … You must get all people in Fleetwood Mac concerned, and that might actually not be straightforward, as a result of all people in Fleetwood Mac would have a distinct thought. “No, no, you possibly can’t do it that manner. After which one other individual can be saying, “I feel that your concepts completely suck, and that is what it must be.” It will be very onerous. You’d need to have a mediator in there, conserving all people from one another’s throats to really work it out. So it’s a thriller to me, to cite a Fleetwood Mac file. However who is aware of what the long run has to carry? Generally you make these like blanket statements of “I’ll by no means do this,” after which two years later, the fitting individual involves you and talks to you about it and you are like, “OK, that really sounds sort of good.”
You stated when you did any type of e-book, you’d concentrate on the constructive, and also you talked about “nice romantic moments.” You’ve had some high-profile relationships, however many are threatened by girls who’re as sturdy as you, the way in which you stated your mom raised you. That’s one thing I’ve undoubtedly skilled in my life, in a manner. Why do you suppose that is?
As a result of I feel that in case you are actually sturdy and you’ve got an incredible job, then…like, what’s your final identify?
Effectively, no man needs to be “Mr. Parker.” And no person needs to be “Mr. Nicks,” both. I’ve had a number of boys that really had been actually pretty and truly completely loved my loopy life and thought that what I did was unbelievable and had been by no means jealous of me. And that’s the sort of man that we’d need, however they’re far and few between. They do exist. They’re on the market. It is simply discovering someone like that. It is very, very onerous. And once I truly did discover a few guys like that, a very long time in the past and, possibly if I had determined I simply going to stay with this one man, I’d’ve truly had a contented husband, someone that I actually was well-suited for. However I used to be so busy all these years, transferring, transferring, transferring, all the time leaving and all the time on the street. and that was onerous for the nicest and most understanding of males. It was like, “So, how lengthy are you going to be gone? And I’m like, I do not know. It might be six months, it might be a yr, relying on how this file does. I actually cannot inform you.” And then you definately drive away in a limousine and so they’re like, “That so sucks.” And you’ll’t blame them, actually.
I’m 72. It is not that I’m not feeling romantic, as a result of I can nonetheless sit down and write a very good love music. I all the time have hope. I all the time suppose, “Possibly across the subsequent nook is likely to be that good one that’s going to be your individual. However I’m not searching for it, and I do not anticipate it to occur. However not in a foul manner. I’d be stunned and completely happy, however I’m not going to spend the remainder of my life ready to stroll round that particular nook both. We’re girls, and if we wish to rule the world — which we do! — we sort of simply need to take every part because it comes and be pleased with what we have now. I’m fairly completely happy. I’ve an excellent job. I’ve probably the most superb canine. I’ve loads of nice buddies. I really like my music. I really like my job. And I do know lots of people which might be married and so they’re not completely happy. They’ve youngsters, and so they’re not completely happy. So I wouldn’t commerce with them for something, you already know? I feel that possibly most of us who actually seek for what we wish, sort of get what we wish and have to finish. There’s a number of issues we miss out on, however principally in the long term, it is fairly nice.
What do you think about your biggest achievement?
I feel in all probability being the primary girl to enter the Rock & Roll Corridor of Fame for my very own work — moving into as Stevie Nicks final yr, after already being inducted with Fleetwood Mac in 1998. That was in all probability my proudest second, as a result of there have been 22 males that had been in twice for his or her solo work and for being in bands, after which there have been no girls. So, now there’s one girl. And it’s me. I really feel like I broke a glass ceiling there and let it rain on all these guys who thought they’d by no means be a lady that might go in twice. That was some of the enjoyable nights of my complete life.
As you’ve talked about, you’ve gotten an actual kinship with Harry Kinds, who inducted you on the ceremony and carried out with you that that night time. What different younger artists do you admire?
I really like HAIM, and I feel their new file is precisely the file that I needed them to make. I listened to it in all probability a hundred-thousand occasions because it got here out. After I heard their file, I despatched them this little video of me and my canine, Lily, squawking round listening to their file. I feel their album is spectacular. I really like Miley Cyrus; I really like that she noticed into “Fringe of Seventeen” and it conjures up “Midnight Sky.” She referred to as me and requested me if she might use it, and I stated, “Take it. I’m so completely happy that you just had been impressed by it. It’s effective with me.” I additionally actually like Halsey, as a result of she’s sort of loopy and peculiar and I simply actually like her for that. I actually hearken to all the present stuff. … So I feel that music is in good condition. If solely all people can cling on and we will get forward of [the coronavirus]. If we might get simply get again to having the ability to play for individuals. We’re by no means going to do away with this, that is by no means going to go away, if all people doesn’t get within the recreation.
Within the meantime, we have now your live performance movie popping out, but additionally your first new music in six years, “Present Them the Manner,” I do know you wrote it years in the past, however that music is so good for proper now.
I had the very best time making “Present Them the Manner.” I’m so happy with it. Placing that collectively made me go, “Wow, if we’ve bought one other yr of this — and please, God, say I’m incorrect — then possibly I’d simply make one other file, like quickly.” I’d simply begin on one thing else as a result of it’s been actually enjoyable and I’ve actually loved it. As soon as once more, I wish to say how proud I’m of “Present Them the Manner” as a result of I did maintain it again for nearly 13 years, after which I believed I needed it out three weeks earlier than this election, hoping that it’d turn into like a theme music — one thing that possibly Joe Biden and Kamala Harris might play, one thing that was written for all of the individuals which might be operating to take this nation again. It’s the primary time that I’ve actually written a music that was not only a actually good music, however it was a very good music with a function. And so I’m hoping that they preserve enjoying it after which it truly does what I despatched it out into the world to do.
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