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From 1991, his solely interview ever to give attention to songwriting

It was Might 8, 1991, and I’d returned to my Hollywood workplace after lunch to discover a pink cellphone message tacked to the board with an unlikely haiku: “Mr. Dylan appreciates your journal. He can be in contact.”

At first I suspected it was a joke. I’d been attempting to land an interview with Dylan since 1987, once I was appointed editor of SongTalk, the journal of the Nationwide Academy of Songwriters. However it was no joke; the decision got here from the workplace of Elliot Mintz, who was then Dylan’s press rep.

The preparations surrounding the interview have been cryptic and incremental. Elliot’s assistant known as me periodically, every time divulging slightly extra data. At first I used to be given no time or location, advised solely that it might happen in the midst of the week at a lodge someplace in the midst of Los Angeles. Additionally that I ought to come alone. It felt like arranging a gathering with Batman.

On the designated day I used to be summoned to the Beverly Hills Lodge, the massive pink girl the place stars have stayed and performed because the beginning of Hollywood. In a bungalow far within the again, Bob Dylan was in a giddy temper. He sang just a few strains from the music “Folks.” Sure, that “Folks,” the Jule Styne-Bob Merrill commonplace from Humorous Lady made well-known by Barbra Streisand. “Individuals who want individuals,” he sang a capella in that the majority well-known nasality ever, “are the luckiest individuals on the planet …” Then he paused to ask, with a lot seriousness: “Do you suppose individuals who want persons are actually the luckiest individuals on the planet?”

That he would even know this music, not to mention query its premise, says so much about this man. He thinks deeply about songs, even unlikely ones like this one. In contrast to the prevalent notion of him as somebody far faraway from life as we all know it, Dylan pays consideration. Looking for some clue as to why he agreed to do that interview with me, he muttered, considerably in passing, “Man, you and Paul Simon positive talked so much,” referring to my current intensive interview with Simon.

The “Folks” trade, nevertheless, was in the end omitted from the ultimate interview on the insistence of Mintz, who additionally demanded the deletion of some different sections, together with one during which Dylan questioned if children who watched Hendrix burn the flag would accomplish that themselves. Mintz additionally ended the interview himself by bodily turning off each of my tape recorders whereas Bob was in the midst of discussing his music “Joey,” concerning the mobster Joey Gallo. I’m nonetheless undecided why he was impelled to cease our speak then, however I knew Bob may have saved speaking for an hour simple. However it wasn’t to be.

What was to be was Bob having a number of enjoyable speaking about this elusive artwork type so profoundly impacted by his personal hand. His love for songs and songwriters was palpable as was his curiosity. Once I advised him I liked taking part in his songs, he requested, “On guitar or on piano?” He wished to know. By no means earlier than or since has he spoken so immediately and extensively about songwriting itself, about strolling that wonderful line between unconscious and aware creation, and in the end attaining what he defines right here himself as “gallantry.”

If you learn this, needless to say he was smiling.

“I’ve made sneakers for everybody, even you, whereas I nonetheless go barefoot”

From “I and I”

“Songwriting? What do I learn about songwriting?” Bob Dylan requested, after which broke into laughter. He was sporting blue denims and a white tank-top T-shirt, and consuming espresso out of a glass. “It tastes higher out of a glass,” he mentioned grinning. His blonde acoustic guitar was leaning on a sofa close to the place we sat. Bob Dylan’s guitar. His affect is so huge that all the pieces that surrounds takes on enlarged significance: Bob Dylan’s moccasins. Bob Dylan’s coat.

And the ghost of ‘lectricity howls within the bones of her face
The place these visions of Johanna have now taken my place.
The harmonicas play the skeleton keys and the rain
And these visions of Johanna are actually all that stay

from “Visions of Johanna”

Pete Seeger mentioned, “All songwriters are hyperlinks in a series,” but there are few artists on this evolutionary arc whose affect is as profound as that of Bob Dylan. It’s onerous to think about the artwork of songwriting as we all know it with out him. Although he insists on this interview that “any person else would have achieved it,” he was the instigator, the one who knew that songs may do extra , that they may tackle extra. He knew that songs may comprise a lyrical richness and that means far past the scope of all earlier pop songs, they usually may possess as a lot magnificence and energy as the best poetry, and that by being written in rhythm and rhyme and merged with music, they may converse to our souls.

Beginning with the fashions made by his predecessors, such because the speaking blues, Dylan rapidly discarded outdated types and commenced to style new ones. He broke all the foundations of songwriting with out abandoning the craft and care that holds songs collectively. He introduced the linguistic great thing about Shakespeare, Byron, and Dylan Thomas, and the expansiveness and beat experimentation of Ginsberg, Kerouac and Ferlinghetti, to the folks poetry of Woody Guthrie and Hank Williams. And when the world was nonetheless within the midst of accepting this new type, he introduced music to a brand new place once more, fusing it with the electrical energy of rock and roll.

“Mainly, he confirmed that something goes,” Robbie Robertson mentioned. John Lennon mentioned that it was listening to Dylan that allowed him to make the leap from writing empty pop songs to expressing the reality of his life and the depths of his personal soul. “Assist” was an actual name for assist, he mentioned, and previous to listening to Dylan it didn’t happen to him that songs may comprise such direct that means. Once I requested Paul Simon how he made the leap in his writing from fifties rock and roll songs like “Hey Schoolgirl” to writing “Sound Of Silence” he mentioned, “I actually can’t think about it may have been anybody else in addition to Bob Dylan.”

Sure, to bop beneath the diamond sky
With one hand waving free,
Silhouetted by the ocean,
Circled by the circus sands,
With all reminiscence and destiny
Pushed deep beneath the waves,
Let me neglect about right now till tomorrow.

from “Mr. Tambourine Man”

There’s an unmistakable class in Dylan’s phrases, an nearly biblical magnificence that he has sustained in his songs all through the years. He refers to it as a “gallantry” within the following, and pointed to it as the one factor that units his songs other than others. Although he’s perhaps extra well-known for the liberty and expansiveness of his lyrics, all of his songs possess this beautiful care and love for the language. As Shakespeare and Byron did of their occasions, Dylan has taken English, maybe the world’s plainest language, and instilled it with a timeless, mythic grace.

Ring them bells, candy Martha, for the poor man’s son
Ring them bells so the world will know that God is one
Oh, the shepherd is asleep
The place the willows weep
And the mountains are full of misplaced sheep

from “Ring Them Bells”

As a lot as he has stretched, expanded and redefined the foundations of songwriting, Dylan is a tremendously meticulous craftsman. A brutal critic of his personal work, he works and reworks the phrases of his songs within the studio and even continues to rewrite sure ones even after they’ve been recorded and launched.

“They’re not written in stone,” he mentioned. With such a wondrous wealth of language at his fingertips, he discards imagery and contours different songwriters would promote their souls to find. The Bootleg Sequence, a just lately launched assortment of beforehand unissued recordings, affords a uncommon alternative to see the revisions and regrouping his songs undergo. “Fool Wind” is certainly one of his angriest songs (“You don’t hear a music like that day-after-day,” he mentioned), which he recorded on Blood On The Tracks in a manner that displays this anger, emphasizing strains of condemnation like “someday you’ll be within the ditch, flies buzzin’ round your eyes, blood in your saddle.”

On The Bootleg Sequence , we get an alternate method to the music, a quiet, tender studying of the identical strains that makes the inherent disquiet of the music much more disturbing, the tenderness of Dylan’s supply including a brand new degree of real disappointment to strains like “individuals see me on a regular basis they usually simply can’t bear in mind the best way to act.” The height second of the music is the penultimate refrain when Dylan addresses America: ‘Fool wind, blowing like a circle round my cranium, from the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.”

On the Bootleg model, this well-known line remains to be in formation: “Fool wind, blowing each time you progress your jaw, from the Grand Coulee Dam to the Mardi Gras.” His music “Jokerman” additionally went via an analogous evolution, as a nonetheless unreleased bootleg of the music reveals. Like “Fool Wind,” the depth and depth of the lyric is sustained over a rare quantity of verses, but much more scenes have been shot that wound up on the chopping room ground, proof of an artist overflowing with the abundance of creation:

It’s a shadowy world
Skies are slippery grey
A girl simply gave beginning to a prince right now
And dressed him in scarlet
He’ll put the priest in his pocket,
Put the blade to the warmth
Take the motherless kids off the road
And place them on the toes of a harlot

from “Jokerman” on Infidels

It’s a shadowy world
Skies are slippery grey
A girl simply gave beginning to a prince right now
And she or he’s wearing scarlet
He’ll flip monks into pimps
And make all males bark
Take a lady who may have been Joan of Arc
And switch her right into a harlot

from “Jokerman” on Outfidels, a bootleg

Usually Dylan lays abstraction apart and writes songs as clear and telling as any of Woody Guthrie’s narrative ballads, discovering heroes and antiheroes in our trendy occasions as Woody present in his. A few of these topics is perhaps considered questionable selections for heroic remedy, similar to underworld boss Joey Gallo, about whom he wrote the astounding music, “Joey.” It’s a music that’s exceptional for its cinematic readability; Dylan paints an image of a life and demise so express and actual that we are able to see each body of it, and even expertise Gallo’s demise as if we have been sitting there watching it. And he does it with a rhyme scheme and a meter that makes the immediacy of the imagery much more placing:

At some point they blew him down
In a clam bar in New York
He may see it coming via the door
As he lifted up his fork.
He pushed the desk over to guard his household
Then he staggered out into the streets
Of Little Italy

from “Joey”

“Sure, nicely, what can about anyone?” Dylan requested, and it’s query. He’s been a thriller for years, “sort of impenetrable, actually,” Paul Simon mentioned, and that thriller just isn’t penetrated by this interview or any interview. Dylan’s solutions are sometimes extra enigmatic than the questions themselves, and like his songs, they provide you a large number to consider whereas not essentially, revealing a lot concerning the man.

In individual, as others have famous, he’s Chaplinesque. He possesses one of many world’s most placing faces; whereas sure stars may appear surprisingly regular and unimpressive within the flesh, Dylan is probably much more startling to confront than one may anticipate. Seeing these eyes , and that nostril , it’s clear it could possibly be nobody else than he, and to take a seat at a desk with him and face these iconic options isn’t any much less spectacular than abruptly discovering your self sitting head to head with William Shakespeare. It’s a face we affiliate with an infinite, superb physique of labor, work that has modified the world. However it’s not likely the sort of face one expects to come across in on a regular basis life.

Although Van Morrison and others have known as him the world’s biggest poet, he doesn’t consider himself as a poet. “Poets drown in lakes,” he mentioned to us. But he’s written a few of the most lovely poetry the world has identified, poetry of affection and outrage, of abstraction and readability, of timelessness and relativity. Although he’s confronted with the proof of a listing of songs that might comprise the entire careers of a dozen wonderful songwriters, Dylan advised us he doesn’t think about himself to be knowledgeable songwriter. “For me it’s at all times been extra con -fessional than professional -fessional,” he mentioned in distinctive Dylan cadence. “My songs aren’t written on a schedule.”

Nicely, how are they written, we requested? That is the query on the coronary heart of this interview, the primary one which involves thoughts when trying over all of the albums, or witnessing the superb array of moods, masks, kinds and types all represented on the just lately launched Bootleg Sequence. How has he achieved it? It was the primary query requested, and although he deflected it at first together with his customary humor, it’s a query we returned to a couple occasions. “Begin me off someplace,” he mentioned smiling, as if he is perhaps left alone to expose the secrets and techniques of his songwriting, and our speak started.

Arlo Guthrie just lately mentioned, “Songwriting is like fishing in a stream; you set in your line and hope you catch one thing. And I don’t suppose anybody downstream from Bob Dylan ever caught something.”

Dylan: [Much laughter]

Any concept the way you’ve been capable of catch so many?

[Laughs] It’s in all probability the bait.

What sort of bait do you employ?

Uh … bait … You’ve obtained to make use of some bait. In any other case you sit round and anticipate songs to come back to you. Forcing it’s utilizing bait.

Does that be just right for you?

Nicely, no. Throwing your self right into a state of affairs that might demand a response is like utilizing bait. Individuals who write about stuff that hasn’t actually occurred to them are inclined to do this.

If you write songs, do you attempt to consciously information the that means or do you attempt to observe unconscious instructions?

Nicely, , motivation is one thing you by no means know behind any music, actually. Anyone’s music, you by no means know what the motivation was. It’s good to have the ability to put your self in an setting the place you possibly can fully settle for all of the unconscious stuff that involves you out of your inside workings of your thoughts. And block your self off to the place you possibly can management all of it, take it down. Edgar Allan Poe will need to have achieved that. People who find themselves devoted writers, of which there are some, however largely individuals get their data right now over a tv set or some sort of a manner that’s hitting them on all their senses. It’s not only a nice novel anymore. You will have to have the ability to get the ideas out of your thoughts.

How do you try this?

Nicely, initially, there’s two sorts of ideas in your thoughts: there’s good ideas and evil ideas. Each come via your thoughts. Some persons are extra loaded down with one than one other. Nonetheless, they arrive via. And you’ve got to have the ability to type them out, if you wish to be a songwriter, if you wish to be music singer. It’s essential to eliminate all that baggage.

You ought to have the ability to type out these ideas, as a result of they don’t imply something, they’re simply pulling you round, too. It’s vital to eliminate all them ideas. Then you are able to do one thing from some sort of surveillance of the state of affairs. You will have some sort of place the place you possibly can see however it could possibly’t have an effect on you. The place you possibly can convey one thing to the matter, in addition to simply take, take, take, take, take. As so many conditions in life are right now. Take, take, take, that’s all that it’s. What’s in it for me? That syndrome which began within the “Me Decade,” at any time when that was. We’re nonetheless in that. It’s nonetheless occurring.

Is songwriting for you extra a way of taking one thing from some place else?

Nicely, someplace else is at all times a heartbeat away. There’s no rhyme or motive to it. There’s no rule. That’s what makes it so engaging. There isn’t any rule. You’ll be able to nonetheless have your wits about you and do one thing that will get you off in a mess of how. As you very nicely know, or else you your self wouldn’t be doing it.

Your songs usually convey us again to different occasions, and are full of mythic, magical photos. A music like “Altering Of The Guard” appears to happen centuries in the past, with strains like, “They shaved her head/she was torn between Jupiter and Apollo/A messenger arrived with a black nightingale.” How do you join with a music like that?

[Pause] A music like that, there’s no manner of figuring out, after the actual fact, except any person’s there to take it down in chronological order, what the motivation was behind it. [Pause] However on one degree, after all, it’s no completely different from anything of mine. It’s the identical quantity of metric verses like a poem. To me, it’s like a poem.

The melodies in my thoughts are quite simple, they’re simply primarily based on music we’ve all heard rising up. And that and music which went past that, which went again additional, Elizabethan ballads and whatnot … To me, it’s outdated. [Laughs] It’s outdated. It’s not one thing, with my minimal quantity of expertise, should you may name it that, minimal quantity …

To me, any person coming alongside now would undoubtedly learn what’s on the market in the event that they’re severely involved with being an artist who’s going to nonetheless be an artist once they get to be Picasso’s age. You’re higher off studying some music concept. You’re simply higher off, yeah, if you wish to write songs. Fairly than simply take a hillbilly twang, , and attempt to base all of it on that. Even nation music is extra orchestrated than it was once. You’re higher off having some really feel for music that you just don’t have to hold in your head, which you can write down. To me these are the individuals who …  are critical about this craft. Individuals who go about it that manner. Not individuals who simply wish to pour out their insides they usually obtained to get an enormous concept out they usually wish to inform the world about this, positive, you are able to do it via a music, you at all times may. You should utilize a music for something, . The world don’t want any extra songs.

You don’t suppose so?

No. They’ve obtained sufficient. They’ve obtained manner too many. As a matter of reality, if no person wrote any songs from at the present time on, the world ain’t gonna undergo for it. No person cares. There’s sufficient songs for individuals to hearken to, in the event that they wish to hearken to songs. For each man, lady and little one on earth, they could possibly be despatched, in all probability, every of them, 100 data, and by no means be repeated. There’s sufficient songs. Until somebody’s gonna come together with a pure coronary heart and has one thing to say. That’s a special story.

However so far as songwriting, any fool may do it. For those who see me do it, any fool may do it. [Laughs] It’s simply not that troublesome of a factor. Everyone writes a music identical to all people’s obtained that one nice novel in them. There aren’t lots of people like me. You simply had your interview with Neil [Young], John Mellencamp … In fact, most of my ilk that got here alongside write their very own songs and play them. It wouldn’t matter if anyone ever made one other file. They’ve obtained sufficient songs.

To me, somebody who writes actually good songs is Randy Newman. There’s lots of people who write good songs. As songs. Now Randy won’t exit on stage and knock you out, or knock your socks off. And he’s not going to get individuals thrilled within the entrance row. He ain’t gonna try this. However he’s gonna write a greater music than most individuals who can do it. You understand, he’s obtained that all the way down to an artwork. Now Randy is aware of music. However it doesn’t get any higher than “Louisiana” or “Cross Charleston Bay” [“Sail Away”]. It doesn’t get any higher than that. It’s like a classically heroic anthem theme. He did it.

There’s fairly just a few individuals who did it. Not that many individuals in Randy’s class. Brian Wilson. He can write melodies that can beat the band. Three individuals may mix on a music and make it an amazing music. If one individual would have written the identical music, perhaps you’ll have by no means heard it. It would get buried on some … rap file. [Laughs]

Nonetheless, while you’ve come out with a few of your new albums of songs, these songs match that particular time higher than any songs that had already been written. Your new songs have at all times proven us new prospects.

It’s not a good suggestion and it’s unhealthy luck to search for life’s steering to fashionable entertainers. It’s unhealthy luck to do this. Nobody ought to try this. Common entertainers are wonderful, there’s nothing the matter with that however so long as the place you’re standing and what floor you’re on, a lot of them, they don’t know what they’re doing both.

However your songs are greater than pop leisure …

Some individuals say so. To not me.


Pop leisure means nothing to me. Nothing. You understand, Madonna’s good. Madonna’s good, she’s proficient, she places all sort of stuff collectively, she’s discovered her factor … However it’s the sort of factor which takes years and years out of your life to have the ability to do. You’ve obtained to sacrifice a complete lot to do this. Sacrifice. If you wish to make it huge, you’ve obtained to sacrifice a complete lot. It’s all the identical, it’s all the identical. [Laughs]

“Isis O Isis, you’re a mystical little one/What drives me to you is what drives me insane/I nonetheless can bear in mind the best way that you just smiled/On the fifth day of Might within the drizzling rain…”

Van Morrison mentioned that you’re our biggest residing poet. Do you consider your self in these phrases?

[Pause] Generally. It’s inside me. It’s inside me to place myself up and be a poet. However it’s a dedication. [Softly] It’s an enormous dedication. [Pause] Poets don’t drive vehicles. [Laughs] Poets don’t go to the grocery store. Poets don’t empty the rubbish. Poets aren’t on the PTA. Poets, , they don’t go picket the Higher Housing Bureau, or no matter. Poets don’t … Poets don’t even converse on the phone. Poets don’t even speak to anyone. Poets do a number of listening and … and often they know why they’re poets!

[Laughs] Yeah, there are … what are you able to say? The world don’t want any extra poems, it’s obtained Shakespeare. There’s sufficient of all the pieces. You title it, there’s sufficient of it. There was an excessive amount of of it with electrical energy, perhaps, some individuals mentioned that. Some individuals mentioned the lightbulb was going too far. Poets stay on the land. They behave in a gentlemanly manner. And stay by their very own gentlemanly code. [Pause] And die broke. Or drown in lakes. Poets often have very sad endings. Take a look at Keats’ life. Take a look at Jim Morrison , if you wish to name him a poet. Take a look at him. Though some individuals say that he’s actually within the Andes.

Do you suppose so?

Nicely, it by no means crossed my thoughts to suppose someway about it, however you do hear that speak. Piggyback within the Andes. Using a donkey.

Folks have a tough time believing that Shakespeare actually wrote all of his work as a result of there may be a lot of it. Do you have got a tough time accepting that?

Folks have a tough time accepting something that overwhelms them.

May they suppose that of you, years from now, that nobody man may have produced a lot unimaginable work?

They might. They might look again and suppose no person produced it. [Softly] It’s to not anyone’s greatest curiosity to consider how they are going to be perceived tomorrow. It hurts you in the long term.

“There are methods you may get out of no matter you’ve gotten into. You wish to get out of it. It’s unhealthy sufficient entering into it. However the factor to do as quickly as you get into it’s understand you could get out of it. ”

However aren’t there songs of your individual that will at all times be round?

Who’s gonna sing them? My songs actually aren’t meant to be coated. No, not likely. Are you able to consider … Nicely, they do get coated, nevertheless it’s coated. They’re not deliberately written to be coated, however okay, they do.

Your songs are far more fulfilling to sing and play than most songs.

Do you play them on piano or guitar?


Acoustic guitar?


Do you play jazz? It by no means hurts to study as many chords as you possibly can. Every kind. Someday it is going to change the inflection of a complete music, a straight chord, or, say, an augmented seventh chord.

Do you have got favourite keys to work in?

On the piano, my favourite keys are the black keys. And so they sound higher on guitar, too. Generally when a music’s in a flat key, say B flat, convey it to the guitar, you may wish to put it in A. However … that’s an attention-grabbing factor you simply mentioned. It modifications the inflection. Primarily in mine the songs sound completely different. They sound … while you take a black key music and put it on the guitar, which implies you’re taking part in in A flat, not too many individuals prefer to play in these keys. To me it doesn’t matter. [Laughs] It doesn’t matter as a result of my fingering is similar anyway.

So there are songs that, even with out the piano, which is the dominant sound should you’re taking part in within the black keys – why else would you play in that key besides to have that dominant piano sound? – the songs that go into these keys proper from the piano, they sound completely different. They sound deeper. Yeah. They sound deeper. All the things sounds deeper in these black keys. They’re not guitar keys, although. Guitar bands don’t often prefer to play in these keys, which sort of offers me an concept, truly, of a few songs that would truly sound higher in black keys.

Do keys have completely different colours for you?

Certain. Certain. [Softly] Certain.

You’ve written some nice A minor songs. I consider “One Extra Cup Of Espresso.”

Proper. B minor may sound even higher.

How come?

Nicely, it would sound higher since you’re taking part in a number of open chords should you’re taking part in in A minor. For those who play in B minor, it is going to pressure you to play greater. And the chords … you’re sure, someplace alongside the road, as a result of there are such a lot of chords in that music, or appear to be anyway, you’re sure someplace alongside the road to come back all the way down to an open chord on the underside. From B. You’ll hit E someplace alongside the road. Strive it in B minor. [Laughs] Possibly it will likely be successful for you. Successful is a primary music, isn’t it? Yeah.

“One Extra Cup of Espresso.” In A minor. “B minor may sound even higher…”

If you sit down to put in writing a music, do you choose a key first that can match a music? Or do you alter keys whilst you’re writing?

Yeah. Yeah. Possibly like in the midst of the factor. There are methods you may get out of no matter you’ve gotten into. You wish to get out of it. It’s unhealthy sufficient entering into it. However the factor to do as quickly as you get into it’s understand you could get out of it. And except you get out of it rapidly and effortlessly, there’s no use staying in it. It should simply drag you down. You can be spending years writing the identical music, telling the identical story, doing the identical factor.

So when you contain your self in it, when you unintentionally have slipped into it, the factor is to get out. So your main impulse goes to take you to date. However you then may suppose, nicely, , is that this certainly one of these items the place it’s all simply going to come back? After which the entire sudden you begin pondering. And when my thoughts begins pondering, “What’s occurring now? Oh, there’s a narrative right here,” and my thoughts begins to get into it, that’s bother instantly. That’s often huge bother. And so far as by no means seeing this factor once more. There’s a bunch of how you may get out of that. You may make your self get out of it by altering key. That’s a method. Simply take the entire thing and alter key, maintaining the identical melody. And see if that brings you anyplace. Extra occasions than not, that can take you down the highway. You don’t wish to be on a collision course. However that can take you down the highway. Someplace.

After which if that fails, and that can run out, too, then you possibly can at all times return to the place you have been to begin. It received’t work twice, it solely works as soon as. Then you definately return to the place you began. Yeah, as a result of something you do in A, it’s going to be a special music in G. When you’re writing it, anyway. There’s too many broad passing notes in G [on the guitar] to not affect your writing, except you’re taking part in barre chords.

Do you ever change devices, like from guitar to piano, whereas writing?

Not a lot that manner. Though when it’s time to file one thing, for me, typically a music that has been written on piano with simply lyrics right here in my hand, it’ll be time to play it now on guitar. So it is going to come out otherwise. However it wouldn’t have influenced the writing of the music in any respect. Altering keys influences the writing of the music. Altering keys on the identical instrument. For me, that works. I feel for any person else, the opposite factor works. All the things is completely different.

I interviewed Pete Seeger just lately.

He’s an amazing man, Pete Seeger.

I agree. He mentioned, “All songwriters are hyperlinks in a series.” With out your hyperlink in that chain, all of songwriting would have advanced a lot otherwise. You mentioned the way you introduced people music to rock music. Do you suppose that might have occurred with out you?

Someone else would have achieved it in another sort of manner. However, hey, so what? So what? You’ll be able to lead individuals astray awfully simply. Would individuals have been higher off? Certain. They might have discovered any person else. Possibly completely different individuals would have discovered completely different individuals, and would have been influenced by completely different individuals.

You introduced the music to a brand new place. Is there nonetheless a brand new place to convey songs? Will they proceed to evolve?

[Pause] The evolution of music is sort of a snake with its tail in its mouth. That’s evolution. That’s what it’s. As quickly as you’re there, you discover your tail.

“Someone else would have achieved it in another sort of manner. However, hey, so what? You’ll be able to lead individuals astray awfully simply.”

Half Two of this interview can be revealed tomorrow, Might 27,2010.

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